April 7, 2026
Preserving the Past
What's the difference between a diary and a memoir? In this episode, we take advantage of an opportunity to interview Christiane Weinzierl from the German Diary Archive in Emmendingen, Germany about diaries, memoirs, and the art and task of preserving the past.
You can find out more about the archive at their website: https://tagebucharchiv.de
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Look, voted this part out.
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Krista.
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Does the giggling belong?
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No, absolutely it does.
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Maybe so.
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It's a popcorn.
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Because at the end of the day, we're here to tell people stories.
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And our story is people that can't pronounce words.
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Last year, while we were doing research, we found ourselves in the German Diary Archive in Amendingen, Germany.
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Last month, when we returned, we were able to sit down with Krista, who volunteers there, who gave us some background on the work they do.
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So will you tell us about yourself and the archive?
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Yes.
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Why have I got involved helping in the archive?
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I've been a diary writer myself from the age of uh 14 on.
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I got a gift, a diary for my confirmation when I was 14.
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And so I decided to write diary, but only travel journal.
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And I'm still doing this.
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Have been doing diaries from all my travels since I was 14.
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So I know about diary writing and what a writer thinks.
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And I know, uh tell about you about this later on a bit, maybe, um, what the difference is writing a diary just for yourself, or writing a diary of which you know that other people are going to read it.
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Originally, my travel journals were only for myself, and then when I first met my husband, from that moment on, I was 20 then, he said, I want to read it.
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And my style, my writing style, started to be different, totally different.
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It's because I knew he would read it, my son, my daughter-in-law, my mother-in-law, they all want to read it.
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So things are still true in the diary, but they are told differently from my original diaries that were only for myself and never meant for any other eye or ear.
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And so it was clear to me when the archive opened here, and I was still working, uh, that after retirement I'd become a volunteer here and do something useful in retirement.
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Meanwhile, I retired in uh 2019, and um, meanwhile, I'm a member of the managing committee, and I'm the one responsible for anything and everything that's English and French, uh, such as our translated Instagram texts, such as uh contacts to the other European archives, or and then I do guided tours in English, German, French, presentations of the museum here, and away presentations as well.
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Next week I'm having one in France over in ASUS, and uh I'm responsible for the uh yearly public readings, the big public reading that we do.
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That's my job here.
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That's very cool.
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So, how long has the diary archive been here?
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How long has it existed?
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Uh it has existed since it was uh founded in uh 1998.
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So we had our 25-year big celebrations uh three years ago.
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It was in January uh 1998.
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It was founded by a lady from Emmendingen who she's still alive, she's still there, um, very, very uh much committed to the well-being of her local town here.
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And so she got the idea actually from the Italian archive that had opened in 1984 already.
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The first of all the European uh diary archives to open was the Italian one.
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Her sister worked there as a volunteer.
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And when she went to visit her, she said, Wow, we need this in Mendingen as well.
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And that's why most of these diary archives that have all been founded by a private person, they are situated in towns that nobody knows, absolutely unimportant, uninteresting towns in Germany, in Italy.
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Nobody knows about the do you know Italy?
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Ever been there?
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No, not yet.
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Uh okay, in Tuscany, in eastern Tuscany, there's nothing there.
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Woods and wolves and nothing but the Italian diary archive, because the founder lived there.
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So that's why it's placed in Emilina.
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She started with a few lady friends collecting diaries in her living room until her husband said, Well, what are all these books doing in their room?
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Can't you find a better uh place for them?
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And since then, the city council, the mayor, it's only our second mayor since then.
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Both have been very, very positively thinking about our archive and have always helped.
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Um we got the this location here, this wonderful location, and uh we don't pay rent for it.
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That's uh what the uh town of Emmendingen, the city of Emmendingen does for us.
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Wow.
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From the beginning, this lady, Mrs.
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von Troschke, from the nobility, uh a noble title she's got.
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Uh the purpose of the Diary Archive has always been collecting and storing autobiographical documents for safeguarding them for the future and for historical research.
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Very, very important.
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I mean, you are researchers.
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Uh we receive about 200 research demands per year that we've got to uh satisfy.
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Um the documents we collect have to be unpublished ones.
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We don't collect published things, and they have to be from ordinary people.
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The man in the street, so to speak, woman in the street.
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Famous people go to other archives.
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There are special archives for the military, for writers, for musicians, whatever.
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So we are for just ordinary people uh that write ordinary diaries that would get lost if there wasn't a place uh to store those diaries.
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So you specialize in just the the men on the street?
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Yes, exactly.
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And women.
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But we have uh slightly more diaries from men, actually.
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It's 57% male authors.
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You always think diary writing that's something for women.
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It doesn't seem to be.
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Um it's for uh men as well.
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In war times, men wrote diaries, and now um in the last, let's say, five, six, seven years, um, memoirs.
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It's autobiographical memoirs that men write.
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Women don't.
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Men think, oh, my so important life mustn't get lost.
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I must write it down.
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So we are um kind of uh flooded with memoirs.
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We don't take them all any longer because there are they are too many.
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Really?
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Storage is costly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Makes sense.
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So you focus mostly on just diaries but not memoirs.
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Um diaries and memoirs, what we don't take any longer, only exceptionally is correspondences.
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So a a question.
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And this this ties into the the memoirs versus diaries.
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You you said earlier that when you started your diary, you were writing for just yourself, and then your writing changed when you realized that other people were gonna be reading that.
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How did that change for you?
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And when you're looking at other people's diaries or memoirs, how can you see that they write differently?
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Or or do you notice that they write differently?
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You you you see it.
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You see it.
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When we do our public readings, we absolutely prefer diaries to memoirs.
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They are much more lively, much more spontaneous.
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They go a lot deeper in emotions, in personal thinking.
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When you see it all from a distance, and the longer the distance is, the more distanced uh you yourself become from the events that you're telling about.
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Um, we usually say uh they are gilded memories that are written down.
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And um in a way, my travel journals are kind of gilded as well, because I know my mother-in-law is going to read them.
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She doesn't want to read anything negative about her son.
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Uh when we had a row about uh whether to have a uh day just by the hotel pool or go visiting another site.
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I'm always the one for the site, and he's the one for relaxing, and we have a row.
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I just write down um we had to come to an agreement about how to spend the day.
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I won't write down we had a vicious row, but uh I used to write such things down in my original diaries.
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And you know, uh during uh COVID, during the lockdown, I digitized all my handwritten diaries, the photos and all, because I have those books, I have them done, my diaries together with the photos and scanned ticket entry tickets and all that.
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Um so I did that, and I was so ashamed of some of the things I wrote down in my early diaries uh that I started thinking about leaving things out.
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And then our president said, don't do it.
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Either you write it all down or you quit the whole thing.
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Uh you must remain true to yourself.
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And actually, some of my old diaries haven't gone to either my husband or my other family.
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Because you keep themselves, you keep the child.
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Yeah.
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I I just don't want them to read this.
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How I thought, how I behaved.
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Um, for example, when I was 19, I have relatives, I have family in Brazil.
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So at the age of 19, I went to visit them for some weeks.
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And what did I do?
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I mean, they belong to the upper class of Bahia, the town.
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Um, what did I do?
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The 19-year-old leaving Europe for the first time in my life, lecturing them on how can you see all those miserable people in the street?
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Why don't you do anything about the slums?
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When we had huge invitations and dinner parties, I said, Do you enjoy your food?
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Are you enjoying what you are eating?
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Don't you think of the slums?
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People outside.
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And what must they have thought of me, the family, the girl, the stupid girl from Germany, telling them how to deal with their poverty.
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It wasn't my place, but I didn't realize that, like realize that now, but I didn't then.
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So I wrote it all down in my diary.
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Yeah.
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But I don't want other people to read how uh silly I was and thought at the age of 90.
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So let me ask a question.
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As a diary archivist, you read lots of people's diaries.
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Do you find it more educational or more beneficial to read people's raw emotional diaries or their more gilded thoughts?
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The raw emotional ones.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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They are sometimes difficult to read because um you know what happens when uh a document is uh submitted to us, uh, it goes to a reading group.
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So every and each document is being read, and the reader filled by reading groups, uh, they fill out a spreadsheet according to guidelines.
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You can't just write anything into the spreadsheet, but uh strict guidelines, and then the spreadsheets go to another group that puts in the catchwords that you noted down uh into the database so that you can find it.
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Oh, the super useful.
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You've never, once it's stored away, you'd never be able to find it.
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And when researchers come like you and say we are doing research on this and that topic, we need something, um, then uh we've got to be able to find them and give them the food they are asking for.
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So you need to remain objective, distanced, cool.
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But it's sometimes very, very difficult with those persons.
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It's never difficult with the gilded ones, with the memoirs.
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You just read them through and fill out your spreadsheet.
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But the other ones are sometimes hard to digest.
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And it's hard to keep your distance.
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You get angry with it, mad at the person writing, why don't you pull yourself together, behave yourself, or uh, oh dear, you poor thing.
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And that might influence the kind of notes you take down.
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But the researcher, you are not interested in my feelings when I read the uh diary and filled out the spreadsheet.
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You want to have an objective overview of what am I to expect from the diary.
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So you often put it away, do something else, and pick it up again.
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Um, but uh they are a lot more authentic, spontaneous, immediate, raw.
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Yeah.
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It gives you insight into the person, into the time, the places they were.
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Exactly.
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The person, the time, um, the how they experience it.
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You find a lot of things, very, very personal things, that you don't find in any history book.
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And if such a private person didn't write them down, you'd never know about it.
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That gentleman over there, who's my favorite, Emil Robert Schneider, living in the 19th century, a burger, a Berlin burger bourgeois family.
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Would you know?
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Where would you look for knowing how did such a young man propose to a woman he wanted to marry?
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How did he go about it?
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Would you know?
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No.
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No.
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You you don't find it in any history book, but he writes it down in his diary.
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Do you want to know?
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Sure, yes.
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Yes.
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Um, he his first wife, we don't know how he uh wooed his first wife, but she died uh very young um from a little infection on her lip.
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It went into her blood and blood poison.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um well, um, it got infected.
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The doctor cut it open, that was the wrong thing to do, and uh within a week she was dead, leaving three little children.
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He needed a second wife to look after the children, uh, which bore him in who bore him another 11 children, actually.
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Almost nine of who uh survived him, by the way, but only one, one of the children, one son, um made it through to this generation.
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When we read him one and a half years ago in our public reading, this family, all the cousins, etc., they came and listened uh to the public reading, and they were all from one son, the other eight withered away, and nothing came of them.
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Um back to how he proposed to the second.
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He went to the he still had this same uh GP, his doctor, that was responsible for the death of his first wife.
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He writes down in his diary, I asked Dr.
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Carter if he had any objections concerning the uh health of Miss Julie.
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Julia was her name.
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And he said he didn't.
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She was in perfect health.
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Then he goes for a walk with Julie and writes it's all in the diary.
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And then during this walk he says to her, Julie, uh Miss Julie, I asked Dr.
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Carter about your her health, and he says he doesn't have any objections.
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So that's why I want to ask you if you want to marry me.
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And she says yes.
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There we go.
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Yeah, I mean it's out.
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Exactly.
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The doctor says it's okay, so you know.
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And it was okay.
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She died of a liver disease, but um only after she'd given him eleven more children.
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Yeah, so she was okay for a long time.
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She was okay for a long while, actually.
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Yes.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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So you find such things only in the diary.
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And I don't think if he had ever written a memoir, he wouldn't have gone into this detail.
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He would have told about the first wife, about the second wife, but not such detail.
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So it's the the details in the diaries that give us the texture of what people's lives are like back here.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Very cool.
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Yeah.
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And maybe I can already tell you why that one's my favorite.
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Why is it your favorite?
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Uh he has written, as you see, 19th century, and as you see, over a span of 50 years, every day.
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It's all in that showcase there, his diaries, uh, from when he was 17 until the day he died.
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Or most the day he died.
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You get to grow up with him and see him evolve throughout.
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And I've read them all, 43 volumes.
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I've read them all, and so I know everything about this life, and it was a fascinating life.
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You live, you feel, you suffer with this person.
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You are happy with this person.
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Uh the 19th century, of course, is a very interesting era in Europe.
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Um, he witnessed all this technological, technical progress, all the inventions, the industrial revolution, gives his comment, electric light, distasteful.
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He writes down in his, yeah, in his diary, that was the first reaction to electric light.
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Um then he witnessed several epidemics, like cholera.
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How did the authorities in Berlin, where he lived, which was the hub of Germany, the hub of Europe was Berlin in those days.
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Another hub was London, the two hubs that were intermarried, uh, the King of Prussia and the Queen of uh Queen Victoria.
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She married uh most of her daughters off to Germany.
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So the two hubs.
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How did authorities deal with cholera, with a cholera epidemic?
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He witnessed them.
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The the prisoners had to carry the corpses in uh wooden crates uh along the streets, uh, yeah, past his house, past his home.
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Um he witnessed the revolution, the German revolution of 1948.
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It started in Berlin.
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The very outbreak was in Berlin.
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He witnessed it, he writes about it.
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How did the king react to the first outbreak?
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